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Paying Attention to Big Line Moves

One of the things you hear a lot is to make sure you’re always getting the best number. I’m guilty of it, and I’ve never broken down how it’s done historically, because there isn’t really readily available opening line data out there. Paying attention to big line moves sometimes is smoke and mirrors. Big bettors can manipulate the market on a Thursday to move lines so they can come back later at higher limits and bet the other side on Saturday. If you have perfect information, you could track these types of plays. For my analysis, all I’m really concerned with is how would you do if you bet these big line moves. For example, if Oregon opened -7 against Stanford and got bet up to -10.5, historically, are you better off following the move or fading it?

I pulled the data for the last 5 seasons. I decided to start with a minimum 2 point move from open to close after seeing an exchange on twitter on Adam Kramer’s timeline (h/t ). There were 1301 games that had a line move of at least 2 points from open to close (based on consensus open/closing lines most books would have offered). Simply betting the closing line and tailing the move would have resulted in a 692-609 record ATS (53.19%) and assuming -110 odds, would put you up 22.1 units over that time. Several sportsbooks offer reduced juice, so you could potentially do even better at shorter odds. Below is the list of each team’s record ATS given the above scenario.

Team Record ATS ATS % Rank
Notre Dame 4-0 100.00% 1
Alabama 13-2 86.67% 2
Purdue 6-1 85.71% 3
Vanderbilt 5-1 83.33% 4
Akron 8-2 80.00% 5
Marshall 7-2 77.78% 6
San Diego State 7-2 77.78% 6
Utah State 16-5 76.19% 8
North Carolina State 6-2 75.00% 10
Penn State 6-2 75.00% 10
UNLV 6-2 75.00% 10
Baylor 8-3 72.73% 13
Cincinnati 8-3 72.73% 13
Ohio State 8-3 72.73% 13
UAB 8-3 72.73% 13
Tulsa 5-2 71.43% 16
Kansas State 7-3 70.00% 17
New Mexico 7-3 70.00% 17
Syracuse 9-4 69.23% 19
Arizona State 11-5 68.75% 20
Ball State 6-3 66.67% 25
Buffalo 4-2 66.67% 25
Eastern Michigan 6-3 66.67% 25
Kentucky 4-2 66.67% 25
Minnesota 4-2 66.67% 25
North Texas 8-4 66.67% 25
Northwestern 6-3 66.67% 25
tcu 6-3 66.67% 25
Texas State 2-1 66.67% 25
BYU 7-4 63.64% 31
Louisiana-Monroe 7-4 63.64% 31
Mississippi 7-4 63.64% 31
Auburn 5-3 62.50% 34
Louisiana Tech 10-6 62.50% 34
Texas Tech 5-3 62.50% 34
Fresno State 8-5 61.54% 36
Georgia Tech 3-2 60.00% 39
Houston 6-4 60.00% 39
Massachusetts 3-2 60.00% 39
Pittsburgh 3-2 60.00% 39
Tennessee 3-2 60.00% 39
Western Michigan 3-2 60.00% 39
Connecticut 7-5 58.33% 43
Kent State 4-3 57.14% 46
Louisiana-Lafayette 4-3 57.14% 46
San Jose State 4-3 57.14% 46
Southern Mississippi 4-3 57.14% 46
Texas A&M 8-6 57.14% 46
Oregon 13-10 56.52% 49
Florida State 10-8 55.56% 51
Iowa State 5-4 55.56% 51
Michigan 5-4 55.56% 51
Nebraska 5-4 55.56% 51
Boston College 6-5 54.55% 55
Rice 6-5 54.55% 55
Rutgers 6-5 54.55% 55
Arizona 7-6 53.85% 58
Missouri 7-6 53.85% 58
SMU 7-6 53.85% 58
Toledo 7-6 53.85% 58
Boise State 8-7 53.33% 61
Ohio 8-7 53.33% 61
Arkansas State 9-8 52.94% 63
Florida Atlantic 9-8 52.94% 63
Bowling Green 6-6 50.00% 75
Clemson 5-5 50.00% 75
Colorado 5-5 50.00% 75
Florida 6-6 50.00% 75
Florida International 3-3 50.00% 75
Georgia State 2-2 50.00% 75
Idaho 5-5 50.00% 75
Illinois 4-4 50.00% 75
Indiana 5-5 50.00% 75
Kansas 6-6 50.00% 75
LSU 6-6 50.00% 75
Maryland 7-7 50.00% 75
Miami (Florida) 1-1 50.00% 75
Miami (Ohio) 2-2 50.00% 75
Michigan State 5-5 50.00% 75
North Carolina 8-8 50.00% 75
Northern Illinois 5-5 50.00% 75
Oregon State 8-8 50.00% 75
Stanford 8-8 50.00% 75
Temple 8-8 50.00% 75
Washington State 6-6 50.00% 75
Wyoming 4-4 50.00% 75
uCF 7-8 46.67% 87
Troy 6-7 46.15% 88
Wisconsin 5-6 45.45% 89
Texas 4-5 44.44% 92
UTEP 4-5 44.44% 92
Wake Forest 4-5 44.44% 92
West Virginia 4-5 44.44% 92
Western Kentucky 4-5 44.44% 92
California 3-4 42.86% 96
Middle Tennessee 6-8 42.86% 96
Oklahoma State 6-8 42.86% 96
Washington 6-8 42.86% 96
Virginia 5-7 41.67% 99
Air Force 4-6 40.00% 103
Colorado State 2-3 40.00% 103
Duke 2-3 40.00% 103
Georgia 4-6 40.00% 103
Louisville 4-6 40.00% 103
Memphis 4-6 40.00% 103
UCLA 6-9 40.00% 103
Nevada 5-8 38.46% 107
Oklahoma 5-8 38.46% 107
East Carolina 3-5 37.50% 110
Navy 6-10 37.50% 110
Virginia Tech 3-5 37.50% 110
Iowa 4-7 36.36% 113
South Alabama 4-7 36.36% 113
Utah 4-7 36.36% 113
South Florida 6-11 35.29% 115
Central Michigan 8-15 34.78% 116
Mississippi State 5-10 33.33% 117
New Mexico State 1-2 33.33% 117
hawai’i 2-5 28.57% 119
Tulane 2-5 28.57% 119
Arkansas 3-9 25.00% 122
Army 4-12 25.00% 122
USC 2-6 25.00% 122
South Carolina 0-4 0.00% 124

What about bigger line moves? There were 658 games that had a line move of at least 3 points from open to close. Tailing the moves again is profitable and at a little larger percentage going 352-306 ATS (53.50%). However, once you get to 4 points or higher, the results get a little random partly due to a smaller sample size of games and my assumption that some of those big moves could have been artificial, an injury or suspension announced midweek, etc.

Pretty interesting stuff. Had you done this each of the past 5 seasons, only last year would have resulted in a losing season. I’ll definitely circle back to this during the season to see how things play out during 2014.


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8 thoughts on “Paying Attention to Big Line Moves”

  1. GoSooners GoSooners says:

    Interesting stuff Josh. I wonder what the trends are in the first month of the season when the Vegas opening lines seem to be off the most with these teams?

  2. Doug says:

    IF we Knew which of the Big moves that Billy Walters was on for REAL, we would Never have a loseing week. Walters and a select few groups are the only Real line movers.

    • Josh Doust says:

      Pretty sure BW has losing weeks just like anyone else, he just has more winning weeks over the course of a year. I know of several groups that are market movers, and I highly doubt I know all of them, so that would lead me to believe there are many more than you think.

  3. Doug says:

    BW “might” have a loseing week, but very very few.
    I myself am not a fan of any of the others that have the power of moveing a line, matter of fact i usually take the other side. IF i know its not BW, and believe me its difficult to tell for sure until post time.

  4. Jeff says:

    Okay I’ll just ask straight up – how do you know it’s BW (as opposed to others) primarily responsible for the move? Unless you reliably know someone in his organization, how do you know who is responsible? 🙂 thx….

  5. Doug says:

    Jeff in past many seasons watching the DonBest screen, and also knowing someone off shore has really helped. The ones i really like are the games that the public drives the number past a point where BW buys his back, and sometimes alot more as it was the wrong side to begin with.

  6. Doug says:

    Pardon as i left the “others” out.
    The main reason is i really dont care about the others. One must have sleepy locals to ever get the order number anyway. Most if not ALL offshore joints move close to the same time as most are hit at the same time if its BW for real.

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